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		By: E.J. Padero		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://ejpadero.com/on-maali-the-elephant-deconstructing-petas-arguments-piece-by-piece/#comments/127&quot;&gt;Ida Ortiz&lt;/a&gt;.

Salamat, Ida. Kampi tayo kay Maali! :)]]></description>
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<p>Salamat, Ida. Kampi tayo kay Maali! 🙂</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://ejpadero.com/on-maali-the-elephant-deconstructing-petas-arguments-piece-by-piece/#comments/124&quot;&gt;sam&lt;/a&gt;.

Hey genius, I&#039;m an animals rights activist and unfortunately for you, your post only shows how ignorant you are. 

1. If adequate veterinary care was provided as BLES, then those two elephants wouldn&#039;t have died

Seedor Gam had to be driven to Lampang, six hours away just to receive medical care. If activists want to raise money for BLES&#039;s clinic, then let them. Don&#039;t let them use Maali to do it, stupid. Maali shouldn&#039;t be subsidizing their clinic. Let them get their own money instead of using Maali&#039;s image in their T-shirts. 

2. Downplaying World Class Experts? Pity your ignorant mind, you armchair activist. 

Unfortunately, between both of us, I&#039;m a member of an organization funded by the Bill &#038; Melinda Gates foundation for animal welfare that&#039;s helped pass acts into Philippine law pertaining to animal welfare such as the Anti-Rabies act of 2007. Good for you if like animals but your good intentions are not enough. If you were an expert in animal welfare or animal rights, you&#039;d have participated in raids of illegal slaughterhouses with the NBI, prosecuted syndicates who distribute fetish videos featuring animal cruelty and done adequate research to see why translocation is a bad idea. If YOU were really qualified as an &quot;animal rights&quot; expert, you would have done all of these things. Sadly, all you seem to do is whine on the internet with uninformed opinions that make you look like the epitome of ignorance. 

3. SELFISH? 

PETA has not spent a single peso on Maali&#039;s welfare to provide for her needs. In fact, I have not seen you spend a single peso on Maali or her needs. You haven&#039;t even bothered to use some scientific literature to back up your statements. If anyone is selfish, it&#039;s YOU because you have done NOTHING except attack people who have acted and spent their own money to help Maali. 

4. Maali does deserve a chance to live a better life 

Which is why we are working to give her that, you ignoramus!

5. ELEPHANTS ARE SOCIAL CREATURES AND NEED TO BE WITH THEIR OWN KIND

Elephants in Thailand are not Sri Lankan elephants! Sri Lankan elephants belong to the subspecies Elephas maximus maximus while Thai elephants belong to the subspecies Elephas maximus indicus. 

When the Sri Lankan government wanted to give Maali a companion in 2011 PETA raised such a fuss:

Source: 
http://globalnation.inquirer.net/12647/sri-lanka-urged-not-to-give-philippines-elephant 

6. The Zoo has not provided adequate care for animals for many years

The City of Manila is bankrupt! Manila Zoo&#039;s funding comes from the Parks and Recreation Bureau of the City of Manila. With low admission rates that have not adjusted for inflation, Manila Zoo operates at a loss but it has not compromised the spending for medicines or food. Unfortunately, that means funding is inadequate unless private donors or corporations come in. 

PETA has blocked and threatened any corporation that wants to support the zoo with boycotts and intimidation. They are linked to FBI recognized Terrorists groups such as the ALF and the ELF. In fact, in 2005, a US Senator called for a probe into FBI and their terrorist tactics. Now, who is EVIL? 

Sources:

US SENATE STATEMENT PROBE ON PETA
http://www.epw.senate.gov/hearing_statements.cfm?id=247266

FBI Files on PETA
http://vault.fbi.gov/People%20for%20the%20Ethical%20Treatment%20of%20Animals%20%28PETA%29/People%20for%20the%20Ethical%20Treatment%20of%20Animals%20%28PETA%29%20Part%201%20of%201/view 

http://www.animalscam.com/references/peta_fbi1.php

FBI Files on ALF and ELF:
http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2008/june/ecoterror_063008

HUFFPOST ARTICLE ON ALF
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/leighton-woodhouse/animal-liberation_b_2012426.html 

PETA GIVES MONEY TO VIOLENT CRIMINALS AND ARSONISTS
http://www.animalscam.com/peta_7things.cfm 

7. &quot;Purely selfish and evil people.They clearly don’t care about anything but themselves. I’m so glad I am not like that. I want what is best for Mali. Can you honestly say the same?&quot;

Excuse me, purely selfish and evil people? PETA has not given a single peso from their campaign to help Maali or give her what she needs NOW. 

Instead they are probably using the money to get more attention for themselves, pay their salaries, profit off of her image through T-shirts. 

Sources:

PAL INCIDENT
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151732222160867&#038;set=a.173221215866.160470.117387315866&#038;type=1&#038;theater 

PETA&#039;S UNAUTHORIZED USE OF MAALI&#039;S IMAGE FOR PROFIT
http://www.cafepress.com/petastore/10103683


So in closing, because of your ignorance, YOU are the IGNORANT, STUPID and SELFISH PERSON. Take a look at yourself in the mirror and ask if you can live with yourself. If I were you, I couldn&#039;t. Your deliberate lack of ability to due diligence makes you a threat, not only to Maali&#039;s welfare, but to your susceptibility and gullibility to the propaganda spread by terroritst.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://ejpadero.com/on-maali-the-elephant-deconstructing-petas-arguments-piece-by-piece/#comments/124">sam</a>.</p>
<p>Hey genius, I&#8217;m an animals rights activist and unfortunately for you, your post only shows how ignorant you are. </p>
<p>1. If adequate veterinary care was provided as BLES, then those two elephants wouldn&#8217;t have died</p>
<p>Seedor Gam had to be driven to Lampang, six hours away just to receive medical care. If activists want to raise money for BLES&#8217;s clinic, then let them. Don&#8217;t let them use Maali to do it, stupid. Maali shouldn&#8217;t be subsidizing their clinic. Let them get their own money instead of using Maali&#8217;s image in their T-shirts. </p>
<p>2. Downplaying World Class Experts? Pity your ignorant mind, you armchair activist. </p>
<p>Unfortunately, between both of us, I&#8217;m a member of an organization funded by the Bill &amp; Melinda Gates foundation for animal welfare that&#8217;s helped pass acts into Philippine law pertaining to animal welfare such as the Anti-Rabies act of 2007. Good for you if like animals but your good intentions are not enough. If you were an expert in animal welfare or animal rights, you&#8217;d have participated in raids of illegal slaughterhouses with the NBI, prosecuted syndicates who distribute fetish videos featuring animal cruelty and done adequate research to see why translocation is a bad idea. If YOU were really qualified as an &#8220;animal rights&#8221; expert, you would have done all of these things. Sadly, all you seem to do is whine on the internet with uninformed opinions that make you look like the epitome of ignorance. </p>
<p>3. SELFISH? </p>
<p>PETA has not spent a single peso on Maali&#8217;s welfare to provide for her needs. In fact, I have not seen you spend a single peso on Maali or her needs. You haven&#8217;t even bothered to use some scientific literature to back up your statements. If anyone is selfish, it&#8217;s YOU because you have done NOTHING except attack people who have acted and spent their own money to help Maali. </p>
<p>4. Maali does deserve a chance to live a better life </p>
<p>Which is why we are working to give her that, you ignoramus!</p>
<p>5. ELEPHANTS ARE SOCIAL CREATURES AND NEED TO BE WITH THEIR OWN KIND</p>
<p>Elephants in Thailand are not Sri Lankan elephants! Sri Lankan elephants belong to the subspecies Elephas maximus maximus while Thai elephants belong to the subspecies Elephas maximus indicus. </p>
<p>When the Sri Lankan government wanted to give Maali a companion in 2011 PETA raised such a fuss:</p>
<p>Source:<br />
<a href="http://globalnation.inquirer.net/12647/sri-lanka-urged-not-to-give-philippines-elephant" rel="nofollow ugc">http://globalnation.inquirer.net/12647/sri-lanka-urged-not-to-give-philippines-elephant</a> </p>
<p>6. The Zoo has not provided adequate care for animals for many years</p>
<p>The City of Manila is bankrupt! Manila Zoo&#8217;s funding comes from the Parks and Recreation Bureau of the City of Manila. With low admission rates that have not adjusted for inflation, Manila Zoo operates at a loss but it has not compromised the spending for medicines or food. Unfortunately, that means funding is inadequate unless private donors or corporations come in. </p>
<p>PETA has blocked and threatened any corporation that wants to support the zoo with boycotts and intimidation. They are linked to FBI recognized Terrorists groups such as the ALF and the ELF. In fact, in 2005, a US Senator called for a probe into FBI and their terrorist tactics. Now, who is EVIL? </p>
<p>Sources:</p>
<p>US SENATE STATEMENT PROBE ON PETA<br />
<a href="http://www.epw.senate.gov/hearing_statements.cfm?id=247266" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.epw.senate.gov/hearing_statements.cfm?id=247266</a></p>
<p>FBI Files on PETA<br />
<a href="http://vault.fbi.gov/People%20for%20the%20Ethical%20Treatment%20of%20Animals%20%28PETA%29/People%20for%20the%20Ethical%20Treatment%20of%20Animals%20%28PETA%29%20Part%201%20of%201/view" rel="nofollow ugc">http://vault.fbi.gov/People%20for%20the%20Ethical%20Treatment%20of%20Animals%20%28PETA%29/People%20for%20the%20Ethical%20Treatment%20of%20Animals%20%28PETA%29%20Part%201%20of%201/view</a> </p>
<p><a href="http://www.animalscam.com/references/peta_fbi1.php" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.animalscam.com/references/peta_fbi1.php</a></p>
<p>FBI Files on ALF and ELF:<br />
<a href="http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2008/june/ecoterror_063008" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2008/june/ecoterror_063008</a></p>
<p>HUFFPOST ARTICLE ON ALF<br />
<a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/leighton-woodhouse/animal-liberation_b_2012426.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/leighton-woodhouse/animal-liberation_b_2012426.html</a> </p>
<p>PETA GIVES MONEY TO VIOLENT CRIMINALS AND ARSONISTS<br />
<a href="http://www.animalscam.com/peta_7things.cfm" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.animalscam.com/peta_7things.cfm</a> </p>
<p>7. &#8220;Purely selfish and evil people.They clearly don’t care about anything but themselves. I’m so glad I am not like that. I want what is best for Mali. Can you honestly say the same?&#8221;</p>
<p>Excuse me, purely selfish and evil people? PETA has not given a single peso from their campaign to help Maali or give her what she needs NOW. </p>
<p>Instead they are probably using the money to get more attention for themselves, pay their salaries, profit off of her image through T-shirts. </p>
<p>Sources:</p>
<p>PAL INCIDENT<br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151732222160867&#038;set=a.173221215866.160470.117387315866&#038;type=1&#038;theater" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151732222160867&#038;set=a.173221215866.160470.117387315866&#038;type=1&#038;theater</a> </p>
<p>PETA&#8217;S UNAUTHORIZED USE OF MAALI&#8217;S IMAGE FOR PROFIT<br />
<a href="http://www.cafepress.com/petastore/10103683" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.cafepress.com/petastore/10103683</a></p>
<p>So in closing, because of your ignorance, YOU are the IGNORANT, STUPID and SELFISH PERSON. Take a look at yourself in the mirror and ask if you can live with yourself. If I were you, I couldn&#8217;t. Your deliberate lack of ability to due diligence makes you a threat, not only to Maali&#8217;s welfare, but to your susceptibility and gullibility to the propaganda spread by terroritst.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://ejpadero.com/on-maali-the-elephant-deconstructing-petas-arguments-piece-by-piece/#comments/124&quot;&gt;sam&lt;/a&gt;.

You have a right to your opinion, but the point is moving Maali out of the zoo now or at any point in the future will most likely kill her. 

In short, it can be compared to uprooting and transplanting a glorious, giant redwood: logic suggests that doing so will just kill it prematurely. Keeping Maali at the zoo and helping out to continually improve her living conditions instead is the safer and more practical option. 

You make it sound as if Maali were malnourished, unloved, and maltreated. In fact, that elephant is more loved and cared for than a lot of humans ever are. She is even on the plump side and should ideally lose a little weight. ;)

Goodnight.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://ejpadero.com/on-maali-the-elephant-deconstructing-petas-arguments-piece-by-piece/#comments/124">sam</a>.</p>
<p>You have a right to your opinion, but the point is moving Maali out of the zoo now or at any point in the future will most likely kill her. </p>
<p>In short, it can be compared to uprooting and transplanting a glorious, giant redwood: logic suggests that doing so will just kill it prematurely. Keeping Maali at the zoo and helping out to continually improve her living conditions instead is the safer and more practical option. </p>
<p>You make it sound as if Maali were malnourished, unloved, and maltreated. In fact, that elephant is more loved and cared for than a lot of humans ever are. She is even on the plump side and should ideally lose a little weight. 😉</p>
<p>Goodnight.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[DECONSTRUCTING YOUR ARGUMENT PIECE BY PIECE
Mali&#039;s basic needs means he needs to be in an environment with other elephants, either a sanctuary or in the wild. She shouldn&#039;t be stuck in that rubbish zoo.

1: just because they have veterinarians doesn&#039;t mean Mali should stay there. If a human was locked in a cage, but was allowed visits from doctors, would that human be better off in that cage? No, this applies to Mali too. If any sanctuaries need closer clinics then that is something animal rights activists can fundraise for. Step 1: is getting Mali out of that hell hole concrete enclosure. Stop making poor excuses for people who pretend to care about the happiness of animals.

2.I don&#039;t care if PETA has a world class expert or not. I am not a supporter of PETA, I am a supporter of my own morals and values, and that includes animal rights. Any social animal that spends over 30 years alone in a tiny enclosure that doesnt allow them to carry out natural urges (elephants like to walk for over 50+ miles day and live in herds) is not living life to the fullest and could be happier elsewhere. THAT IS WHY I WANT MALI TO LEAVE THE ZOO.

3. Healthy or not, Mali should leave the zoo. She could be happier elsewhere with other animals of her kind. Elephants need lots of space to walk, they like to walk on grass, bathe in water, play with other elephants etc. Mali CAN&#039;T do any of that at Manila zoo, so even if she is healthy , it doesn&#039;t mean she is happy. Anyone who cares about animals would want an animal to be HAPPY AND HEALTHY AND LIVE A LIFE THAT ALLOWS THEM TO DO NATURAL BEHAVIOR, IF you don&#039;t want either of these things for Mali too, clearly your selfish and don&#039;t care.

4: There are no guarantees, but at the very least, Mali deserves a chance to have a better life. Animals always have health problems at some point in their life (even wild ones) as long as there is good healthcare available and measures are taken to reduce risk, thats a good start.

5: Elephants ARE social creatures and do prefer to be with their own kind. They live in herds genius. If they hated it they would live alone. You don&#039;t need to be smart to figure that out. Sri lanken elephants like to live with other Sri lanken elephants.

6: The zoo has not been providing adequate care for their animals for many years. All the media attention has put them under the spotlight and that is the only reason they will make changes. Its sad to know the zoo is run by people who put the needs of the animals second. If they really cared they would have tried to do it years ago (Mali has been alone for 36 years).

Is it a coincidence that after all the media attention the zoo has planned small improvements? No, they are only dong it to to serve their own interests, otherwise they would have done it years ago. They want to keep Mali at the zoo. By making small improvements ( Mali will still need more) they can say that the argument for Mali&#039;s removal is no longer an issue and they hope animal rights activists will drop the campaign. Purely selfish and evil people.They clearly don&#039;t care about anything but themselves. I&#039;m so glad I am not like that. I want what is best for Mali. Can you honestly say the same?

Think about it from a different point of view besides your own. If you were Mali could you really say your living the best life you could have? Of course not.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DECONSTRUCTING YOUR ARGUMENT PIECE BY PIECE<br />
Mali&#8217;s basic needs means he needs to be in an environment with other elephants, either a sanctuary or in the wild. She shouldn&#8217;t be stuck in that rubbish zoo.</p>
<p>1: just because they have veterinarians doesn&#8217;t mean Mali should stay there. If a human was locked in a cage, but was allowed visits from doctors, would that human be better off in that cage? No, this applies to Mali too. If any sanctuaries need closer clinics then that is something animal rights activists can fundraise for. Step 1: is getting Mali out of that hell hole concrete enclosure. Stop making poor excuses for people who pretend to care about the happiness of animals.</p>
<p>2.I don&#8217;t care if PETA has a world class expert or not. I am not a supporter of PETA, I am a supporter of my own morals and values, and that includes animal rights. Any social animal that spends over 30 years alone in a tiny enclosure that doesnt allow them to carry out natural urges (elephants like to walk for over 50+ miles day and live in herds) is not living life to the fullest and could be happier elsewhere. THAT IS WHY I WANT MALI TO LEAVE THE ZOO.</p>
<p>3. Healthy or not, Mali should leave the zoo. She could be happier elsewhere with other animals of her kind. Elephants need lots of space to walk, they like to walk on grass, bathe in water, play with other elephants etc. Mali CAN&#8217;T do any of that at Manila zoo, so even if she is healthy , it doesn&#8217;t mean she is happy. Anyone who cares about animals would want an animal to be HAPPY AND HEALTHY AND LIVE A LIFE THAT ALLOWS THEM TO DO NATURAL BEHAVIOR, IF you don&#8217;t want either of these things for Mali too, clearly your selfish and don&#8217;t care.</p>
<p>4: There are no guarantees, but at the very least, Mali deserves a chance to have a better life. Animals always have health problems at some point in their life (even wild ones) as long as there is good healthcare available and measures are taken to reduce risk, thats a good start.</p>
<p>5: Elephants ARE social creatures and do prefer to be with their own kind. They live in herds genius. If they hated it they would live alone. You don&#8217;t need to be smart to figure that out. Sri lanken elephants like to live with other Sri lanken elephants.</p>
<p>6: The zoo has not been providing adequate care for their animals for many years. All the media attention has put them under the spotlight and that is the only reason they will make changes. Its sad to know the zoo is run by people who put the needs of the animals second. If they really cared they would have tried to do it years ago (Mali has been alone for 36 years).</p>
<p>Is it a coincidence that after all the media attention the zoo has planned small improvements? No, they are only dong it to to serve their own interests, otherwise they would have done it years ago. They want to keep Mali at the zoo. By making small improvements ( Mali will still need more) they can say that the argument for Mali&#8217;s removal is no longer an issue and they hope animal rights activists will drop the campaign. Purely selfish and evil people.They clearly don&#8217;t care about anything but themselves. I&#8217;m so glad I am not like that. I want what is best for Mali. Can you honestly say the same?</p>
<p>Think about it from a different point of view besides your own. If you were Mali could you really say your living the best life you could have? Of course not.</p>
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